Sweden’s voluntary lockdown still supported | WNT

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1. Interesting report. The presenters look more like aliens than humans however.

2. Sweden gave a nice slap to illuminati (WHO)

3. Sweden's strategy is NOT herd immunity, it is just the same as many other countries, just without a lock-down decree. Stop spreading this damn ignorant lie.
   
   If immunity is not possible (or very weak) there will never be a vaccine and since this virus is everywhere, in every country, and in every city we will need to learn to live with it. On top of that, there has never been a successful vaccine created against any coronavirus. In the worst case we might end up with a vaccine that only gives 3-4 month of protection. It's better than nothing but we would need to re-administer that vaccine to everyone in the risk groups 4 times per year; something like 6 billion doses per year – forever.
   
   While there might be some self-sufficient island nations that can isolate themselves until a vaccine is available the irrationality of people still thinking that they can "beat the virus" and "hide until it's gone" baffles me.

4. Sweden has nearly twice the population as Norway and Finland and Denmark 🇩🇰

5. What the liberal media isn't explaining is that the deaths will be the same lockdown or no lockdown. The question is how long will it take for those deaths to occur. Sweden is choosing to take their lumps now, get it out of the way, and keep their economy intact rather than just prolonging the crises and destroying their economy in the process.

6. The last batch of statistics I saw from the three most comparable countries (same region, similar health care structure, similar comorbidity structure) was Finland at 2.56 fatalities/100,000 people – Norway at 3.57 fatalities/100,00 people – Sweden at 17.3 fatalities/100,000 people. When controlled for population size that puts Sweden at five-fold or more the death rate of the two most comparable nations. Comparisons to Italy, for example, are invalid (vastly different arrival of the virus and vastly different comorbidity structure).

   If there was strong evidence that infection was followed by immunity this might be a good gamble. If (and there are several lines of evidence out there that this is the case) this is more like the cold or influenza and infection is not followed by immunity (if growing evidence of infection followed by re-infection bears out), herd immunity is not as likely an outcome and this was a bad gamble.

7. Wrong or right . Who knows??? I guess in 2 years time from now we know ….

8. They didn't get the email.
   Mandatory……….. panic.
   Mandatory vaccines..soon.
   All made with the aborted babies stem cells….true.
   But wait, if I don't get the shot, it's just "my body" to choose if wanted,??? I'm crazy if standing up for the babies….not wanting those injections, of killed little one's…. into me.
   I'll just say I'm pregnant, a woman's right to choose, for my body… right?????
   But wait I'm not a woman, it's ok, I'll just say I feel like one….. amen

9. I was looking at the stats for the Spanish Flu and only about 25% of Americans got it over 2 years. That is far from herd immunity at a time when the disease was running rampant and they din't know much about the disease. Is it possible herd immunity for something like this is a myth?

10. Curve is flattening and the economy intact. Think I'm moving to Sweden. Can't live in a country where the government can turn into an autocratic dictatorship every time some exotic flu comes in. With fools clamoring for it on top.

11. All nursing home deaths are counted in Sweden and makeup 50 of all death cases.

12. I was critical of Sweden at the beginning, but I call it like it is. I’ve got no horse in this race. What seems probable now is that Sweden was right.

    Sweden agreed to be the world’s guinea pig. They offered a valuable experiment to test the importance of a full lockdown. Although it’s too early to draw firm conclusions, we’re really starting to see the answer: lockdowns may not be worth it after all.

    Sweden’s overall death count is on the high side, but mostly average, nothing drastic. Their per capita deaths are particularly high compared to its Scandinavian neighbors and even overall – 10th worldwide and 7th when you factor out small micro-states. OK, that’s high, but high enough for a country with zero lockdown measures?

    Although their numbers aren’t great (200 deaths per million), they’re radically better than countries like Italy (423 per million), Spain (474 per million), France (335 per million) and Belgium (560 per million). These countries have been in extreme lockdown for many weeks and their economies are crumbling under their eyes.

    For a country that has left its schools and offices wide open, as well as all its bars, restaurants and public places, you’d expect to see a worse outcome – way more cases, hospital admissions and deaths. But it’s just not there. At some point you’ve got to just look at the data and call it like it is.

    Sweden is generally ok. There’s no big spike in new cases. It even looks like their new-case evolution may be flattening. And although their daily death rate is still rising, it’s a very gradual rise. When you look at this moderate rise and factor in the stabilized case rate, it just doesn’t look like Sweden will ever get anywhere close to the big hotspots in terms of per capita deaths.

    So how do you go on trying to convince people around the world that confinement is essential? Again, we’re talking about a country that thumbed its nose at the world and its own scientific experts. And they seem to be fine.

13. The more people die…

14. If an effective and widely available vaccine appears by sometime this summer (long before experts are predicting), then Sweden may look back and decide they chose the wrong course. But we are all tiptoeing in the dark here, and they made their best guess. In a year's time, Sweden just might be the envy of other nations.

15. What about the millions of third world people who will die from the worldwide economic shutdown? Anyone on the edge of starvation will die because of this. But the media tells you not to consider this, so you don't. This is actually the greatest crime ever committed against humanity.

16. As long as it ONLY affects Immigrants and the Elderly (the people who through paying taxes made Sweden the country it is today) then most Swedes WOULDN'T GIVE A DAMN. If it affected Children and/or Adults age 20-45 years old, then Sweden, of course, would have to be in lockdown and the economy, no doubt…would take a big hit.
    
    This is Sweden's inconvenient truth…

17. I'm Japanese. Covid-19 may be less fatal than my might imagine(from numerous data). I feel the Swedish method is the right answer. Sorry in bad english

18. How do you think COVID will disappear?
    A) With the vaccine that might arrive in 18 months.
    B) By lockdown, that somehow will make the virus extinct.
    C) By heard immunity, like other respiratory diseases.

    If you close down a society and reopen it, will you have removed the virus or will it be back again?

    How many deaths will a country in lockdown see compared to a country in partial/voluntary lockdown in the timespan of a year?

    Also will a country in lockdown experience several waves of COVID?

    In a country that has lockdown that might experience several waves of COVID, how long will risk groups have to isolate themselves?

    How will a lockdown affect a country socioeconomically?

    We will know the answer to these questions in a few months or a year, but to me a full lockdown seems to be more risky unless the countrys/areas medical system is about to collapse due to extreme strain.

19. 200 deaths per million. One of the highest in the world

20. Current stats:
    CLOSED CASES
    
    2,571
    
    Cases which had an outcome:
    
    550 (21%)
    
    Recovered / Discharged

    2,021 (79%)
    
    Deaths

21. Herd immunity or drastic population control???

22. When the economy collapses all around the world, people will understand that Sweden did it the right way. Hospitals cannot remain open when there is no more money to buy medications and pay employees. People cannot live without food on the table.

23. Sweden's daily new cases peaked two weeks ago!!!
    Hopefully people will see that they have been propagandized and abandon MSM forever.

24. You know what is funny the UK still hasn't had a single person who recovered

25. Except for keeping a good hand hygiene and not sneezing on each other that will slow the spreading somewhat I don't think much will stop this virus, it will run its course eventually but it will take a long time from here.

    I choose an open society and deaths over lockdown anyday of the week. You don't have to go crazy, just let people live their lives and avoid bigger crowds for as long as it takes.

26. Doesn't look like it's working, you are now more then Canada, congrats

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