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  1. I am an atheistic woman and pro-life. My position is based on 5 facts.

    1. It's alive
    2. It's human (and not a part of woman's body)
    3. The parents are the only ones responsible for the creation of a child (excluding rape because first we have to talk about the restrictions on abortions on demand and then move to discuss the marginal cases (and child would be still innocent)) child bares no responsibility for being inside the mother, so parents have no right to kill it
    4. Even if the child was illegally parasiting on the mother, killing of a living human being is a usage of unnecessary force and our basic laws prohibit unlawful killing of innocent or killing altogether, it's uncostitutional and in conflict with basic human rights
    5. And if you're still not sure it is murder, that's actually an argument against abortion, because you should be 100% sure you won't. murder anyone

    1. I consider it alive. Living people have rights, dead ones don't. And there are many scientific proofs that life really begins at conception:

    https://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/embryoquotes2.html

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/549308 (note that the Atlantic is a left-leaning magazine)

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/science-tells-us-when-life-begins-why-isnt-it-taught-in-the-classroom

    https://www.lc.org/newsroom/details/021519-life-begins-at-conception-1

    https://www.theculturewatch.com/dna-proof-that-life-begins-at-conception

    https://www.justthefacts.org/get-the-facts/when-life-begins

    https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2015/08/15520

    http://thefederalist.com/2017/10/13/life-begins-at-conception-says-department-hhs

    https://abort73.com/abortion/medical_testimony

    https://www.heartbeatservices.org/can-ru-486-be-reversed/item/848-41-quotes-from-medical-textbooks

    https://evolutionnews.org/2015/08/science_deniers

    https://lozierinstitute.org/a-scientific-view-of-when-life-begins/6

    2. I consider it human (And not a parasite. Humans are from the biological point of view no parasites and if you mean that they are parasites because they can't survive on their own (they can after the 2nd trimester), the same can be said about braindead disabled or injured people.)

    Fetuses have their own human DNA and organs. They match the definition of human body ( https://abort73.com/abortion/mothers_body/ ). They breathe and take in food through the umbilical cord, move and grow. The only think they can't do yet is to reproduce. And you don't have to be able to reproduce in order to live, because all the prepubescent children, elderly and infertile people are alive as well.

    You can see that it is alive and not our body. Pregnant women don't have two DNA codes or two brains and if she's expecting a boy, she isn't suddenly a transgender with XX as well as XY chromosomes (Bodily autonomy argument debunked: https://youtu.be/FcZ6IOjNbi0 ).

    What determines when it's human?
      Heartbeat? What about the people living with an artificial heart and a pacemaker?
     Brain function? Fetuses have a slightly different brain function because they dont use all of their senses yet and dont move much. Its like a sleeping person. And newborns have lesser brain function than us as well.
      Having  a brain? Brain begins to develop at mere 16 days after conception (1st paragraph in the text titled First trimester: https://www.whattoexpect.com/pregnancy/fetal-development/fetal-brain-nervous-system/ ).

    It's hard to say what's a developed brain. Most doctors consider it to be patially developed the 5th week after conception ( https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/pregnancy-week-by-week/in-depth/prenatal-care/art-20045302 ).

    Brain is actually fully developed in 20 or 30 years after birth ( https://mentalhealthdaily.com/2015/02/18/at-what-age-is-the-brain-fully-developed/ ).

    If you don't agree, I think that it should be considered at least parcially developed when baby moves its limbs at the age of 8 weeks ( 3rd paragraph in the text titled First trimester: https://www.whattoexpect.com/pregnancy/fetal-development/fetal-brain-nervous-system/ ).

    If you say that before 6 weeks it's not human because it has not fully developed arms is a bad argument because there are people without arms. Without legs, even without hearths who live with a artificial hearths. Human is a living integrated cluster of cells filled with human DNA. Nothing more. And every of those clusters of cells is worth equal protection.

    Does every human have to have fully developed organs and body parts as adults do? Shouldn't we then kill children because they have no permanent teeth? Thus, they are not fully human?

    Just as the universe began with the Big bang that arose from almost nothing, human life arises from almost nothing – only one egg and one sperm. Every single one species on this planet came into being as a single cell who in most cases didn't resemble the final mature individual. It lasts from days to months and years to grow up and fully develop. Humans need approxinately 20 years to fully mature. They go through various development stages as fertilisation, embryonic development, fetal development, neonatal phase, infancy, toddler phase, early childhood, preadolescence and puberty until they finally reach adulthood.
    I'm not making this up. Development of the human organism both prenatal and postatal is on Wikipedia ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_the_human_body ). You can clearly see that every scientific article regards embryos and fetuses as humans who just aren't fully mature yet – just like children.

    3. The partners are the only ones responsible for the creation of a child and the child bares no responsibility for being inside the mother

    The parents willingly participated in an activity which direct and very probable consequence is conception of a child. Therefore they should at least let it survive and give birth to it. It is similar to first aid. Why do you have to help someone  in need (And the difference between this and abortions is that you don't have directly help the fetus. Fetuses will live inside you as long as you don't kill them and killing someone is considered worse than just letting someone die and therefore  the sentence is much lower.)

    Pregnancy is a natural consequence of sex and everyone knows it. You can drive a car if you want, but take the responsibility for running over someone. You can't have sex if it results in hurting someone or in violating their rights. That's why we punish people for rape. Pedophiles can't have sex with children just because they're horny. Hence, you can't have sex and then kill the fetus.

    Abortion in a nonmaginal case is something like this:
    There is one person on life support and there's a nurse that is taking care of that person. The person is sure to wake up in 9 months. All the nurse has to do is to check the life support in order to keep it working. And she is the person that deliberately put this person to coma so she is responsible for the person's life. But she doesn't want to check it, so she unplugs the life support. Or more precisely, it's like when the doctor comes in and slits the throat of the person in coma.

    Do you think that if (someone else in case of rape and basically you and your partner in case of consentual sex) stuck a head in your window and they can't pull it out until 9 months, should you be allowed to legally chop off their head in order to have a view out of a window again?

    4. Even if the child was illegally parasiting on the mother, killing it is an unneccessary force and our basic laws prohibit unlawful killing of inocent or killing altogether, it's uncostitutional and in conflict with basic human rights

    You mustn't kill any innocent human being. Our basic fundamental laws prohibit that. The UN Universal declaration of human rights does in its 3rd article ( http://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/ ) and the US constitution in the section 1 of the 14th amendment (https://www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?flash=false&doc=43&page=transcript).

    The United nations grant it universally with no exception and condemn the capital punishment ( https://news.un.org/en/story/2017/10/568172-death-penalty-has-no-place-21st-century-un-chief-guterres ).

    The 14th amendment states that "state shall not deprive any person of life without due process of law." There are no babies being put on trial. And even if they were, they couldn't commit a crime in a uterus.

    5. And if you're still not sure it is murder, that's actually an argument against abortion, because you should be 100% sure you won't murder anyone. You shouldn't risk ending a human life at all. If we are to abort fetuses, we should be 100% sure that they are not human, not just 50% or less. Would you demolish a building if there is 50% chance that someone's inside, so you'd maybe kill some innocent people?

    I totally support contraception and getting dead fetuses out of mothers, even if we cut their limbs and head off, but totally disapprove abortion of a living fetus.

    Do you agree?

  2. President Trump has offered 2 immigration plans, now the 3rd. DEMS have turned them down. Hes been trying to fix. No more C& R! Deport right then. This country cant take in ALL anymore. Must be vetted well. America has OUR OWN CITIZENSZ here that need help FIRST
    like elderly & Vets & others. This sounds like ANOTHER good plan the President has now. Mexico needs to help us too. We help them all the time. Our borders r being run over now by 100,000s. Just anyone bad or good. Unacceptable. Deport most of them. No room in the inn anymore. Get our MILITARY on our borders to help stop this. Lots r looking for free rides & entitlements or r criminals. Some r good people & need to go thru process the right way, then. The
    new abortion laws like in NY, r shameful, shocking & sickening. Kids getting abortions like its nothing, is rapant. Babies born thru abortion & live thru it should be adopted. So, teach ur children well! Discipline. Have God in urvlife to be in theirs. We wouldve had billion plus more people if aborted babies all these years were born. Also, most people who have abortions regret it later & go thru all their lives. Abortion on due date, THEN KILL the baby? This is 1st degree murder. Its murder anyway u slice it. I feel rape is different or certain situations, ie, incest, medical reasons if might kill the mother, healthwise. ALSO, child trafficking is the worst thing. Deplorable! Traffickers should be caught & imprisoned for life. Big rings of these stolen & captured children, babies up. Most sickening. People use these childten for sex, snuff films & even kill them. Most awful thing ever, & so widespread – other countries all into this. Billion of $ industry. So much of it. Need to stop. Satan is alive & thriving but God wins out.

  3. 4.Greatness takes a mere day to acquire whilst legacy takes a vast lifetime, failure is Donald Trump’s legacy, don’t join him in the hell that he is in, and is of his own making, by giving him attention, I know I won’t and have not. A far more productive use of everyone’s time is to just repost this multipart comment and then ignore him and his star will fade to irrelevancy, whilst his presidency will be relegated to myth and heresy.

  4. 2.So what exactly is this cowardly and racist -imbecilic ,wannabe clown ,failed mime-,babbling buffoon, overgrown Oompa-Loompa Donald trump campaigning on? He has no discernable policy accomplishments. Here can be your campaign slogan (free of charge) last “don” of white America:

  5. 1.Repeal The affordable healthcare act =FAILED, Build a wall on the Mexican-American border =FAILED, Have Mexico pay for said wall=FAILED, Total shutdown of all Muslims entering the country =FAILED, Ban on Transsexual’s participating in the army =FAILED, “Do something” about the 13th amendment (the foundational pillar of the republican party ,he implied he would revoke it) =FAILED.

  6. Why is the woman more important than the baby? No maternal instincts any more in these groups of liberal women, just open narcissism. Did you ladies not know that the founder of planned parenthood was a racist and had an agenda to get rid of all minorities?

  7. You know what guy Donald Trump is starting a war for no reasonBenjamin Yahoo is behind this to he wanted to have Iranians taken out so there was a favor done I've seen this coming on for months now I watch all news because I have a back injury and I have nothing else to do besides that and so what I've seen so far is Donald Trump's deal of the century in middle East in the middle Lee by a son-in-law Jared kushner so that's why they're over there in Iran to take out Iran for Israel no one believes me what people and look through all the news and every station you will see this except box cuz I don't watch fox. News at all you will see it going back 4 months ago I've been telling people this because I want them to be aware they are starting world war 3 Donald Trump about the Chinese that's another thing China we are going to lose everything because of him the people can't see this I don't know what to tell you one for the immigration people that's sad because they have to be English-speaking people which is a racist thing to me I've been trying to tell people to let Congress know in the Pentagon but I have no phone that's why or I do it myself this is a false flag for Iran to be taken out God have mercy on our United States soldiers and our self this is so sad

  8. The abortion thing is bullshit. Georgia and Alabama are fucked up. Their ideas just going to be causing more issues, more women will just abort in ways they did in the past and more Foster places will be filled with unwanted children and neglect and abuse will go up because of women being forced to go through something they don’t want. The six week thing is dumb too because most women don’t even know their pregnant by that time

  9. Here's a message for Joshua from Georgia : IF YOU'RE GOING TO FORCE A WOMAN TO not GET AN ABORTION, YOU BETTER BE DAMNED SURE THAT THE mAn WHO GOT THE WOMAN PREGNANT, TO STEP UP AND GET A VASECTOMY SO IT DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN, OR THAT WOMAN HAS THE RIGHT TO Loreena Bobbitt the BASTARDS.

  10. Let all people in the land of the called immigrants know that their nation is a beautiful country and God is with those who acknowledges him wherever they may be. United states did not start with tall buildings but the same land with trees and animals.
    Have pride in the land given to your ancestors which they have lived and died for and make it worth to visit not to escape out off. May The Lord God Almighty Father through Christ our Lord bless those who is grateful with what they have been given and give thanks.

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