Jelani Cobb writes about race, politics and history for The New Yorker. He is also the dean of Columbia Journalism School and the author of The Substance of Hope: Barack Obama and the Paradox of Progress.
The following interview was conducted by the Kirk Documentary Group’s Mike Wiser for FRONTLINE on July 5, 2022. It has been edited for clarity and length.
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CHAPTERS:
Early Claims of Election Fraud and the Republican Response – 0:00:00
Trump and the 2016 Election – 0:04:10
The Rise of Political Violence – 0:09:56
Trump, Cruz and the Republican Party – 0:17:37
Pence’s Calculation – 0:29:19
Trump’s Early Presidency and Charlottesville – 0:31:53
The First Impeachment – 0:41:31
Trump’s Response to the Black Lives Matter Movement – 0:49:02
Republican Response to Trump’s Claims of Election Fraud – 1:03:33
Pressure on Pence – 1:09:57
Jan. 6 and the Aftermath – 1:13:37

Watch the full documentary “Lies, Politics and Democracy†here: https://youtu.be/D2eTiE3k7ds
He's an intelligent sounding fool , still on the DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST PLANTATION.
Minimal said about the Biden administration,, this guy is another PUPPET
another universe illuminator, I would be interested what he makes out of the development since this interview
Democracy and Democratic Party are not the same
Stop masking the mask… make that make sense … drama
Just be honest ur doing collateral damage on ur as Eric swallwell don’t define people ur robbing as racist.. thats two face not double talk ..
Trump 2028!!!!!!!!
What are these folks going to complain about after Trump is out of office?
Greatest President Donald Trump Ever!â¤
Oh, so we’re still pretending the dems didn’t steal the 2020 election?
Oh come on, we all know the democrats cheated..,!!!!
Wow, this interview, unfortunately, has aged extremely well.
Thank Goodness PBS will lose much of it’s funding. It used to be reliable and unbiased. Now its a one sided division platform.
This man is guilty of EXACTLY what he is trying to accuse Trump of. He uses the word Dangerous in every sentence. This man is dangerous.
This man is articulate and dangerous. Where was Pelosi? TRUMP SAID PEACEFULLY GATHER. These two just lie. Liz Cheney?!?! He defends her?!?!?! 😆
Trump said “ peaceful gathering “.what of thr FBI? This man is dangerously insighting. Doing exactly what he is accusing Trump of
This guy is an asshole
He sounds so smart but is Ho so wrong 🇺🇸🇵🇷💪
Glad I heard this. It is true and clear.
Morons. These people sound like they would be rational, yet everything they are saying is completely insane and a complete departure from reality.